Lets begin with the bragging. I can finally do mill's mess poorly. Im still practicing it as 6 throws and catches (pause) 6 throws and catches (pause), but all the basics are there and its going pretty well. I need to polish begining it on my off side and then it will be completely continous, so i will probably be adding a seventh throw to my practice routine to work on that other really awkward toss. Then the thanking. I think it was Oki Doki's suggestions over in the "I can officially Juggle 4" thread that finally got me over the two distinct problems I was having. So I would like to thank him here where it's a little more on-topic. I didn't really understand what was keeping me down, while I was struggling to understand the pattern itself, but now I see. I didn't have a clean windmill down so getting that ball to curve on the second throw just wasn't ever really happening (I was throwing more of a column there) so it made the third toss very collision prone. Second, I don't know what i thought was happening at the fourth toss, but the intended toss is very awkward, but I think I was trying to an extra arm cross in there somewhere and that was very very wrong and making it impossible for myself. Then the encouraging. If you can't do mill's mess yet stick with it. I learned several tricks and cleaned up others in the endeavor. It took a few months of working on it pretty intensively to really get it. and some questions. I am a little curious if I am a "quick study" of juggling, but since Im basiclly teaching myself from books and using the internet, probably not. I started juggling around the begining of October, and had the cascade down by halloween. Now I can do the reverse cascade, juggler's tennis, three ball flash, The yo-yo cascade and the two-up yo-yo, One under the arm, chops (but it's pretty rough), the three ball cascade with a multiplexing fourth ball (and sometimes 5th), the windmill, the cross arm cascade, and now Mill's Mess. So far it's been about 5 months and I'm making alot of progress but I can't do much with clubs besides the cascade so that's what I'm gonna start focusing on now. Im just wondering if this is alot of progress for 5 months or am I headed for a wall. I am also curious how much you guys practice.